Leo of BORG wrote on Jan 27^th, 2010 at 7:55pm:
What "setting" do you mean?  There's only setting that I know of, a single checkbox, which is in Preferences ▸ Appearance ▸ Show Icons in Bookmarkshelf.  It works fine for me.  When I uncheck the box, the toolbar on all open Bookmarkshelves disappears, and then after that if I close and one of them, or quit and relaunch, or create a New Bookmarkshelf, in all cases I get the icon-free toolbar.  The only way to make the icons re-appear is to re-check the box, or use the Quick Search.  In the latter case, they go away again if you click the ⓧ.  Please describe to me the steps where this doesn't work.  Or is there another control I'm not aware of? 

Leo of BORG wrote on Jan 27^th, 2010 at 7:55pm:
Thank you.  Down on the to-do list is an preference for small/simple icons, but for the time being the choices is either big or none.

I take back all the bad things I said about the toolbar in Mail.app.

It turns out that if you've checked off the menu item View ▸ Show Toolbar, and then you hit ⌘⎇F to do a Mailbox Search, the toolbar comes back so you can type into the search field, but the toolbar goes away if you click the Cancel button, which is the ⓧ at the right edge.  It's half-way logical.  Furthermore, this is the only sensible way I can think of to detect that the user is done with the toolbar.  So, for this reason and for the fact that there may be a half-dozen or so Mail.app power users out there who have guessed this action and consider it to be conventional, BookMacster 0.9.8 is going to work similarly.  If you've checked OFF the new Show Icons in Bookmarkshelf Toolbars preference, and do a Quick Search, the toolbar will hide again when you click the ⓧ.

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
Well, that's the idea.  Let me put it this way: We don't want BookMacster to be me  .  Now I will admit that when I first read Conejo's suggestion that it needed a toolbar, I thought, "ugh".  I'm not much of a toolbar fan either.  But after thinking about it carefully, I realized that Conejo was correct, and the first time I launched the new version with the toolbar, I kind of liked it.  Maybe the yellow is a little too bright, but there is a real value to having a new user launch the app and say "Oh, I kind of know how this probably works".  Next time we get into the Preferences panel, we'll be adding a "Toolbar shows text only" preference for minimalists who consider icons to be an inefficient intrusion onto their screen real estate.  With that option, it actually takes up less space than the old segmented control did.

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
Well, it's true that, to get into Settings and Reports, you click a toolbar item to get into the first level, and a segmented control to get into the second level, but I don't think that's hard to grasp.  The Content tab never had a second level anyhow, so even the old way was inconsistent.

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
When you have a minute, please explain what you mean by vocabulary.  I don't think you mean the words (we haven't changed any of the words).

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
Actually it was fun.  But then, anything is fun compared to fitting a shaggy dog icon with an alpha mask.

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
We'll get back to working on performance soon.

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
I'm really comfortable with the toolbar now.  Actually, I've never been comfortable with the Tag Cloud.  The project for today is to replace the Tag Cloud with a simple table, and flip the split view so it's on the left instead of the top.  But we're still thinking differentLY, more logically.  If Apple were designing this app, they'd put the first level of bookmarks (Bookmarks Bar, Bookmarks Menu, etc.) in the left sidebar, like they do in Safari, Mail.app and iTunes.  (Apple calls that a source list.)  I think they're illogical and have had to educate many new Mac users on how they work.  We're not doing that.  But listing tags there makes alot of sense, since tags are, in a sense, another parallel view of bookmarks.

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
I think we still have a challenge to make the New Bookmarkshelf wizard good enough that people who don't have special requirements will keep their mitts out of the Clients, Structure and Agents tabs, at least until they know what they are doing.  I'll give it some more thought, but right now I can't think of any analogs to PithHelmet rules.  I see only two common use cases: "I want Safari bookmarks sorted" (which maybe should be a "lite" version but forking the product is a whole nother bag of headaches), and then "I want Safari and Firefox and/or Client Xxxxx to have the same bookmarks".  Maybe we need some Restore Defaults.

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
Thanks for the kind words.  I very much appreciate your feedback.

F451 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:07am:
Thanks, but we need the masses too.  Regarding Mail.app, in the View menu, you should click "Hide Toolbar".  The only problem with that is that it also hides the Mailbox Search, which is the one useful thing in there which is not accessible elsewhere.  When you ⌘⎇F to do a mailbox search, the stupid toolbar comes back and stays.  Our "Text only toolbar" option will do better than that.